1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,560 MUSIC 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,560 Tonight on Unidentified. 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,560 Oh, my God. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,560 There's a whole suite of them. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:19,560 I never forget those voices. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,560 You know those voices? 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:21,560 Yeah. 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,560 If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I don't know if I would've believed in either. 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,060 It was basically a sphere with a cube inside. 10 00:00:28,060 --> 00:00:30,900 So now these objects have a global presence. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,400 That thing is hauling ass. 12 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:34,740 Exactly my point. 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,340 The Pentagon has confirmed the existence 14 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,140 of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,040 that studied UFOs, and they released video. 16 00:00:42,140 --> 00:00:43,880 Oh, God, I can't stand the wind. 17 00:00:43,980 --> 00:00:46,420 My gosh. 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,580 For eight years, Lou Elizondo ran a secret UFO investigation 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,060 for the US military. 20 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:55,120 But in 2017, he quit in protest. 21 00:00:55,220 --> 00:00:56,860 I put my entire future on the line 22 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,960 because I believe in what I believe in. 23 00:00:59,060 --> 00:01:02,500 Now he's joined an elite group of former government insiders. 24 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,560 Their mission, reveal what they say, 25 00:01:04,660 --> 00:01:06,460 is the truth about UFOs. 26 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,340 US Aerospace is being violated by vehicles of unknown origin 27 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,100 with advanced capabilities. 28 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,240 It's real. 29 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:15,280 This is real, and we're going to get to the bottom of it. 30 00:01:15,380 --> 00:01:17,580 If people knew these unidentified vehicles 31 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,580 are operating within minutes of the DC area, 32 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,080 they would say, excuse me, isn't this something 33 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:25,280 we ought to pay attention to? 34 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,680 I'm not paying attention to? 35 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:45,600 How's our friend? 36 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:46,700 Did you OK? 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,800 He's really nervous. 38 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:49,800 We've got him set up in a motel nearby. 39 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:50,700 Sure. 40 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:51,900 This is a big moment for him. 41 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,540 He's going to be the first guy in his shift to come out. 42 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,640 He's going to arrest his desire to have a conversation 43 00:01:56,740 --> 00:02:00,300 about something that seems almost extraordinary, 44 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,340 can certainly make you nervous. 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,280 Lou Elizondo is on his way to meet an active duty Navy 46 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:08,940 fighter pilot who's agreed to disclose, for the first time, 47 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,720 details of an extraordinary series of UFO encounters captured 48 00:02:12,820 --> 00:02:16,820 on video over the Atlantic Ocean in 2015. 49 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:19,820 With Elizondo is veteran Navy pilot David Fravor, 50 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,100 who says he had a similar UFO encounter in 2004 51 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,220 over the Pacific. 52 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,240 I'm glad he's agreed to talk with us. 53 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:28,380 I would start with what he was doing that day, 54 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,320 let him tell his story. 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,120 Hey, Ryan, how are you? 56 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:38,720 I'm Lou. 57 00:02:38,820 --> 00:02:39,620 Nice to meet you. 58 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,620 It's taken weeks of negotiating to convince 59 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:42,820 the pilot to talk. 60 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:47,260 Appreciate you taking the time to speak with us. 61 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,800 Elizondo hopes having one of the most respected pilots 62 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:53,100 in the Navy with him will put the younger pilot at ease. 63 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,060 2B1, huh? 64 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,720 It's not a fair fight. 65 00:02:56,820 --> 00:03:00,160 Lieutenant Ryan Graves has spent a decade training Navy pilots 66 00:03:00,260 --> 00:03:02,000 and flying bombing missions. 67 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:04,900 As a combat section lead, he twice deployed to the Middle 68 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,800 East and holds a degree in aerospace engineering. 69 00:03:07,900 --> 00:03:08,600 Go ahead. 70 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:09,900 Let's start from the beginning. 71 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,940 We'll simply put, I don't really know where the beginning is. 72 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,880 In the summer of 2014, Lieutenant Graves 73 00:03:16,980 --> 00:03:20,380 was based out of Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach. 74 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,060 Lieutenant Graves says his squadron, the Red Rippers, 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,600 was running training exercises up and down the East Coast 76 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:33,100 when they started to pick up mysterious radar tracks. 77 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,940 We didn't really think a lot of them other than the fact 78 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,040 that maybe they were just a part of the radar itself, 79 00:03:40,140 --> 00:03:42,580 not necessarily an actual physical object. 80 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,120 Is there any difference between the aircraft 81 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:49,280 you were flying in 2015 versus what he was flying in 2004 82 00:03:49,380 --> 00:03:50,120 and E? 83 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:52,620 We had upgraded electronics radar systems 84 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,240 and it's a generational difference. 85 00:03:54,340 --> 00:03:55,340 It's a big deal. 86 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,240 Is it? 87 00:03:56,340 --> 00:03:57,140 OK. 88 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,140 Huge, huge increase in capability. 89 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,280 OK. 90 00:03:59,380 --> 00:04:01,620 The pilots wondered if their new radar system was malfunctioning 91 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,220 until they saw one of the unidentified objects up close. 92 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,120 Walking through that moment, were you there 93 00:04:07,220 --> 00:04:08,620 or was it one of your colleagues? 94 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,120 It was one of my colleagues. 95 00:04:10,220 --> 00:04:11,860 So I didn't hear about until they landed. 96 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Did he give you size, color, texture? 97 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:17,700 It was basically a cube inside of a sphere 98 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,500 where the points of the cube were touching outside of the sphere. 99 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,500 We've got now two different things. 100 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,760 You guys got cubes with balls around the West Coast. 101 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:25,800 We got flying tic-tacs. 102 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,300 You will sometimes get fan tracks 103 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,300 where it's seeing something that's not there. 104 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,400 That's what we thought they were 100% of the time 105 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:36,000 until we would see them physically 106 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:38,200 and get entirely of them with their eyeballs. 107 00:04:38,300 --> 00:04:40,580 It's not like I'm seeing a bright physical object. 108 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,080 I'm literally just seeing a flash shine out there. 109 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:45,680 And wherever we were, they were there. 110 00:04:45,780 --> 00:04:46,680 So that could mean two things. 111 00:04:46,780 --> 00:04:48,280 That could mean they were already there. 112 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:50,640 Or they were following the strike group. 113 00:04:50,740 --> 00:04:54,740 By 2015, Lieutenant Graves claims his pilots 114 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:58,640 were encountering bizarre craft almost every time they flew. 115 00:04:58,740 --> 00:05:01,580 You know, it's one thing if one person sees one of these objects, 116 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,180 they're like, OK, that's crazy. 117 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:05,380 When you go out there every day and you see them 118 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,880 and your brothers and sisters and other squadrons 119 00:05:07,980 --> 00:05:10,480 are seeing them, it's like, OK, well, this is probably 120 00:05:10,580 --> 00:05:12,980 some type of maybe drone thing or something 121 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,280 that they're testing out. 122 00:05:14,380 --> 00:05:16,980 So I'm like, OK, I'm going to go out there and see them. 123 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:18,480 I'm going to go out there and see if they're 124 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:20,680 something that they're testing out. 125 00:05:20,780 --> 00:05:23,580 It wasn't until someone actually saw one go in between two 126 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,780 aircraft at a close range by within 150 feet 127 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,180 that it was starting to get worrisome. 128 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:32,580 Lieutenant Graves says when one of the objects nearly 129 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,420 caused a terrifying mid-air collision, 130 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,460 senior pilots in his squadron decided to act. 131 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,060 At this point, we're like, something needs to be done. 132 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,560 We submitted a safety report to the Navy Safety Center. 133 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,720 Multiple people have seen it. 134 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:49,480 Multiple people have tracked them. 135 00:05:49,580 --> 00:05:52,120 You get one that splits the section 136 00:05:52,220 --> 00:05:55,960 enough to send out your mishap report to the safety center. 137 00:05:56,060 --> 00:05:59,060 Did anyone contact you and say, what is going on? 138 00:05:59,160 --> 00:05:59,660 No. 139 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,460 No investigation, no nothing. 140 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:01,960 No. 141 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:06,820 We have a video I'd like you to see. 142 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,760 Without telling you anything about it, 143 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:12,160 I'm going to be curious your thoughts, 144 00:06:12,260 --> 00:06:14,620 and you can tell me what you see. 145 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,920 These three UFO videos were released by the Pentagon. 146 00:06:18,020 --> 00:06:20,480 The one on the left has already been identified 147 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:24,380 as the 2004 incident involving David Fravor. 148 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,820 The source of the other two had remained a mystery. 149 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,320 This video has come to be known as Go Fast 150 00:06:34,420 --> 00:06:36,780 and shows an object speeding just above the water. 151 00:06:39,420 --> 00:06:42,020 The other is known as Gimbal. 152 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,380 The sensor is on a gimbal underneath the aircraft, 153 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,080 and it can rotate to maintain a track. 154 00:06:57,220 --> 00:06:58,420 Never forget those voices. 155 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,320 You know those voices? 156 00:06:59,420 --> 00:07:00,220 Yeah. 157 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,620 It's a breakthrough in the investigation. 158 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,820 For the first time, a pilot has confirmed 159 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,220 that the two unidentified videos, Gimbal and Go Fast, 160 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,720 were taken by Navy jets from the Theodore Roosevelt. 161 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,220 We're getting ready for a deployment. 162 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,520 So we do workups along the Eastern seaboard, 163 00:07:15,620 --> 00:07:17,620 and these objects kind of came with us. 164 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,820 Lieutenant Graves says both Gimbal and Go Fast 165 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,620 were filmed within weeks of each other 166 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,820 over the Atlantic off Jacksonville, Florida. 167 00:07:26,420 --> 00:07:27,820 And as Lieutenant Graves' squadron 168 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,220 was preparing to deploy to the Middle East, 169 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,920 they were seeing so many mysterious objects. 170 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:34,520 They started sharing the videos 171 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:35,920 when they got back on ship. 172 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:38,020 They were also very excited about what happened, 173 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,720 and then they were heading down to watch 174 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,220 the full video in its entirety. 175 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,520 So there's parts of this video that we can talk about 176 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:45,120 that aren't here. 177 00:07:45,220 --> 00:07:46,320 Let's walk through that. 178 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:49,720 So this object was infinitely larger than the one 179 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:51,120 we used to see. 180 00:07:51,220 --> 00:07:53,320 Lieutenant Graves says the Gimbal video 181 00:07:53,420 --> 00:07:55,820 is just part of a longer, higher resolution video 182 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,520 he was shown on the ship. 183 00:07:57,620 --> 00:07:59,720 It included several smaller craft, 184 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:02,320 the kind he was more familiar with. 185 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:05,620 They were essentially flying themselves into formation. 186 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,920 And then behind those was the object that you see here. 187 00:08:11,020 --> 00:08:13,220 And not the world's greatest drawer, 188 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,520 but as you can see here, 189 00:08:14,620 --> 00:08:16,420 it almost looks like a gyroscope, right? 190 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,820 The way it moves, the points coming out 191 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,220 at the top and the bottom of what appears to be a disc 192 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,520 or at least a central mass on the object. 193 00:08:23,620 --> 00:08:27,220 So these objects were seeing one direction. 194 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,420 The five at some point basically just turned themselves 195 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,620 around with some type of radius of turn as a unit 196 00:08:34,620 --> 00:08:36,120 and started flying in that direction. 197 00:08:36,220 --> 00:08:38,920 At this time, it's pretty much where you see this video 198 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:40,620 where these are now out of the picture 199 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,920 and it's just this guy that's stationary. 200 00:08:43,020 --> 00:08:45,420 Is that why they refer to them as there's a whole fleet of them? 201 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:46,120 Yep. 202 00:08:46,220 --> 00:08:46,920 Okay. 203 00:08:47,020 --> 00:08:48,120 So there wasn't a whole fleet of these, 204 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:50,020 there was just all these little guys. 205 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,320 And then there's the one object which we had never seen before 206 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:54,720 which was significantly larger. 207 00:08:54,820 --> 00:08:56,720 Lieutenant Graves says the way the larger craft 208 00:08:56,820 --> 00:08:59,120 suddenly rotates at 90 degrees 209 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:01,020 is unlike anything he had ever seen. 210 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:02,720 What is this? 211 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:04,820 It's rotating. 212 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,520 It's just basic airplane physics. 213 00:09:06,620 --> 00:09:08,120 When your wings are underneath you, 214 00:09:08,220 --> 00:09:11,020 you're flying along, you have 100% of your lift. 215 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,820 And if you turn yourself all the way like this, 216 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,920 kind of night-blading, you have none of the lift 217 00:09:16,020 --> 00:09:17,220 that your wings would provide you. 218 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,320 So the fact that he would just get himself on his wing tip 219 00:09:20,420 --> 00:09:24,220 with no turn by saying at exact same point 220 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,620 isn't how aircraft work. 221 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,520 Ryan Graves is an aerospace engineer 222 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,120 when he's not a pilot. 223 00:09:31,220 --> 00:09:34,420 So when Ryan is telling you that there is something up there 224 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,120 that he doesn't know how it works 225 00:09:37,220 --> 00:09:40,820 and it is not one of our aircraft, 226 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,320 you need to listen. 227 00:09:42,420 --> 00:09:44,820 What's fascinating and interesting about these objects 228 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,420 is that they're up there when we take off. 229 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,120 They're doing their thing for our hour, our hour and a half, 230 00:09:50,220 --> 00:09:51,620 maybe two hour flight. 231 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,020 And then we land and my buddy that takes off an hour later 232 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,520 has seen the same things. 233 00:09:57,620 --> 00:09:59,120 This is important. 234 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,520 Now we're looking at something that can stay stationary 235 00:10:01,620 --> 00:10:05,420 over a geographic point and 120 knots of wind. 236 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:06,720 They're all going against the wind. 237 00:10:06,820 --> 00:10:07,720 The wind's 100. 238 00:10:07,820 --> 00:10:09,020 Point out to the west. 239 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,720 Can rotate around and then can accelerate above supersonic. 240 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:19,220 As a top gun guy, have you seen something like that before? 241 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:19,920 No. 242 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:23,620 No, I'm pretty baffled right now. 243 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:32,220 There are people out there that you know right now 244 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,920 that you could pick up the phone and they would say, 245 00:10:35,020 --> 00:10:38,720 yeah, that was something that we routinely encountered. 246 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:40,720 Probably at least 50 or 60, yeah. 247 00:10:40,820 --> 00:10:42,220 50 or 60 individuals. 248 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,220 Easy. 249 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,520 Lou Elizondo and veteran Navy fighter pilot David Fraver 250 00:10:47,620 --> 00:10:50,320 are learning new details about an extraordinary case 251 00:10:50,420 --> 00:10:52,220 caught on camera. 252 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,420 It's rotating. 253 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,420 Active duty Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves 254 00:10:58,420 --> 00:11:02,020 says a fleet of UFOs followed his carrier from the summer 255 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,520 of 2014 into 2015 off the East Coast, 256 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:09,220 coming within 50 miles of the nation's capital. 257 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,020 The reason Lieutenant Graves is speaking out 258 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,320 is because he's concerned about his comrades 259 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:17,120 and he's concerned about national security 260 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:21,220 and he's seeing a system which is failing to react. 261 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,720 Chris Mellon is a former deputy assistant secretary 262 00:11:23,820 --> 00:11:25,420 of defense for intelligence. 263 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:29,520 If people in the DC area knew that within minutes 264 00:11:29,620 --> 00:11:32,420 of their location, these unidentified vehicles 265 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,820 are operating seemingly without regard 266 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,720 to our air defense capabilities, operating at will 267 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:41,320 just minutes from the nation's capital, 268 00:11:41,420 --> 00:11:44,220 I think they would say, excuse me, 269 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,120 isn't this something we ought to pay attention to? 270 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:49,920 The incidents had disturbed Lieutenant Graves 271 00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:52,020 and his fellow pilots. 272 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,320 But what happened in the months following 273 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,920 would raise the stakes even higher. 274 00:11:58,020 --> 00:12:00,620 In March 2015, the Theodore Roosevelt 275 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,120 was deployed to the Arabian Gulf 276 00:12:03,220 --> 00:12:06,920 when suddenly Lieutenant Graves says the UFOs reappeared. 277 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:09,320 We did have issues with them when we actually went out 278 00:12:09,420 --> 00:12:11,020 to the Middle East, not in the transit, 279 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,920 but once we actually settled out into the Middle East. 280 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,720 In the Middle East, one of the targets of US firepower 281 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,020 was the Russian-allied Syrian government. 282 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,020 Worthy unidentified objects tracking the Navy jets, 283 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,620 actually next generation Russian drones. 284 00:12:33,620 --> 00:12:35,420 No one really knows what they are, 285 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,720 but if it was an aircraft, if it was a MiG, 286 00:12:38,820 --> 00:12:42,320 if it was any type of enemy aircraft, 287 00:12:42,420 --> 00:12:45,020 it'd probably be a pretty big deal. 288 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,920 That airspace is exclusive use airspace 289 00:12:47,020 --> 00:12:49,320 that we use up there over the ocean 290 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,820 for tens of F-18s going every day. 291 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,220 You know, we've got these things showing up. 292 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,320 You've got these things showing up 293 00:12:55,420 --> 00:12:56,620 that are following the ship. 294 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,020 No one seems really clear. 295 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,120 At least pulling the data to go, you know, 296 00:13:00,220 --> 00:13:01,820 if 10 F-18s come back and say, 297 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,220 hey, we're seeing these things all over, 298 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,520 you would think someone would prompt to go, 299 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:07,020 hey, what is going on? 300 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,420 So you have objects off the coast of San Diego. 301 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,120 You have objects potentially off the coast of Virginia 302 00:13:15,220 --> 00:13:18,420 and these objects now somewhere over the Middle East. 303 00:13:18,420 --> 00:13:22,520 Now these objects have potentially a global presence, 304 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:25,820 not a regional presence, a global presence 305 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,320 to be wherever they want to be. 306 00:13:27,420 --> 00:13:28,520 Yeah. 307 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:31,320 I'm fascinated that over 60 people have seen these things 308 00:13:31,420 --> 00:13:34,920 and it's just become like the accepted norm. 309 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:36,820 I appreciate what you guys are doing, 310 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,820 trying to hunt down these answers from guys like me. 311 00:13:41,820 --> 00:13:42,920 You know, if there's anybody else 312 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:46,620 who has had some interesting experiences like this, 313 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,620 we'd love to know. 314 00:13:47,620 --> 00:13:49,220 We want to know what this is. 315 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,520 In the 2004 Nimitz incident, 316 00:14:00,620 --> 00:14:02,320 Navy pilots went head-to-head 317 00:14:02,420 --> 00:14:04,120 with a tic-tac-shaped object. 318 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,420 10 years later, the Roosevelt pilots 319 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,520 say they encountered three different craft, 320 00:14:15,220 --> 00:14:16,720 a cube inside a sphere, 321 00:14:17,620 --> 00:14:19,720 a large disc-shaped UFO, 322 00:14:19,820 --> 00:14:22,920 and a smaller round object captured here. 323 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:24,520 We used to call them Foo Fighters. 324 00:14:24,620 --> 00:14:25,520 That's what they used to call 325 00:14:25,620 --> 00:14:27,720 unidentified flying objects during World War II 326 00:14:27,820 --> 00:14:29,520 that the old guys saw. 327 00:14:30,420 --> 00:14:31,520 During the war, 328 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:35,120 mysterious flying objects were reported by American pilots 329 00:14:35,220 --> 00:14:37,520 over Europe and the Pacific. 330 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:41,520 These Foo Fighters were often described as small spheres, 331 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:44,020 similar to what was seen by the Roosevelt pilots 332 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,520 70 years later. 333 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,920 We seem to be dealing with more than one phenomenon, 334 00:14:49,020 --> 00:14:49,920 where they're from, 335 00:14:50,020 --> 00:14:51,920 who's operating, what their intent is. 336 00:14:52,020 --> 00:14:54,420 Maybe there are, in fact, multiple sources 337 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,420 that are competing and contending 338 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,420 that are developing these craft. 339 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,420 In either case, 340 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,920 it's hard to find a prosaic explanation 341 00:15:05,020 --> 00:15:07,920 for a carrier battle group being shadowed 342 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:09,920 by unidentified aircraft 343 00:15:10,020 --> 00:15:11,920 all the way across the Atlantic 344 00:15:12,420 --> 00:15:16,820 to an area of operations overseas in the Middle East. 345 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,820 It makes an extremely compelling case 346 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,320 for the existence of technologies 347 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:24,820 that we didn't even think were possible. 348 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,820 So, Jets, we're going to play the video. 349 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,320 I'd like your opinions on what we're seeing, 350 00:15:29,420 --> 00:15:30,320 play by play. 351 00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:33,820 The Navy's UFO videos are so potentially explosive 352 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,820 that Elizondo wants an independent analysis 353 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,320 of what exactly they show. 354 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,820 Retired Marine Lieutenant Colonel Chris Koch 355 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,820 spent a career flying fighter jets. 356 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,820 Ross Amer flew commercial aircraft for decades 357 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,820 and consults for the National Transportation Safety Board. 358 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,820 I don't want to give you too much information 359 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,320 on these videos up front. 360 00:15:56,420 --> 00:15:58,820 I think it's important that we look at this information 361 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,320 without too much background. 362 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,820 Elizondo's already asked them to analyze 363 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,320 the 2004 footage from the Nimitz. 364 00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:06,820 But now he wants their take 365 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,320 on the two videos from the Roosevelt in 2015. 366 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,820 The GoFast video is 33 seconds long 367 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,820 and shows a round craft that appears to be streaking 368 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,820 across the ocean's surface. 369 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,820 Nickel-6-1 tank of project on the surface. 370 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,820 Oh, my God! 371 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,820 Woo-hoo! 372 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:27,820 Roger, good job. 373 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,820 That's some shooting. 374 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:29,820 Shoot it like that. 375 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:30,820 Okay, that's a good job. 376 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,820 Did you find something, target? 377 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,820 No, I took an auto-train. 378 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,820 Okay. 379 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,820 Oh, my gosh, dude. 380 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,820 Oh, my gosh. 381 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:39,820 Okay, go ahead, man. 382 00:16:39,820 --> 00:16:41,720 Look at him trying. 383 00:16:43,820 --> 00:16:45,720 That thing is hauling past. 384 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:46,720 That's exactly my point. 385 00:16:46,820 --> 00:16:48,720 It's a little less than two-thirds of speed of sound. 386 00:16:48,820 --> 00:16:52,720 But how is the craft able to fly so fast? 387 00:16:52,820 --> 00:16:55,720 The infrared sensor shows the object is cold. 388 00:16:55,820 --> 00:16:58,720 If this were some type of aircraft 389 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:01,720 with a conventional propulsion system, 390 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:05,720 we would definitely see some type of heat signature. 391 00:17:05,820 --> 00:17:07,720 Everything we know about propulsion systems 392 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,620 is they create an intense amount of heat. 393 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,620 There is no known aircraft that can stay aloft for long 394 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,620 without a source of lift and propulsion. 395 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,620 Hold on, dude. 396 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,620 The gimbal video is even more baffling to the experts. 397 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,620 It shows a craft mid-air that rotates 398 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,620 into a near perpendicular position to the ground. 399 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,620 Yeah, it's a lot, bro. 400 00:17:35,620 --> 00:17:38,520 There's a whole fleet of them, look on the SA. 401 00:17:38,620 --> 00:17:41,520 Oh, my gosh. 402 00:17:41,620 --> 00:17:43,520 They're all going against the wind. 403 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:45,520 The wind's a hundred and point miles west. 404 00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:47,520 Hold on, dude. 405 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:49,520 It's rotating. 406 00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:52,520 The strange way the object turns in mid-air 407 00:17:52,620 --> 00:17:54,520 confuses both experts. 408 00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:56,520 It is definitely rotating. 409 00:17:56,620 --> 00:17:59,520 It appears to be, or, you know, changing angle of bank. 410 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:02,520 And it appears to have stopped moving quickly 411 00:18:02,620 --> 00:18:03,520 across the horizon. 412 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,420 And yet it doesn't lose any altitude. 413 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,420 It doesn't seem to be dropping. 414 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,420 Sadly, with all the experience that you think we have, 415 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,420 I can't figure it out. 416 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,420 Well, I certainly can, Chris. 417 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,420 No. 418 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,420 I know it, yeah. 419 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,420 I've always kind of been skeptical about aliens 420 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,420 and, you know, UFOs and things like that. 421 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:31,420 But I've never seen anything remotely like what I saw today. 422 00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:35,320 I'm a lot more convinced now that these vehicles do exist. 423 00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:48,320 Good morning, Lou. 424 00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:49,320 Welcome. 425 00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:50,320 How you doing today? 426 00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:52,320 Very well, thanks. 427 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:54,320 Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense 428 00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:57,320 for Intelligence Chris Mellon has convinced a powerful group 429 00:18:57,420 --> 00:19:00,320 of lawmakers to meet with him about ongoing military 430 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,220 encounters with UFOs. 431 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,220 But first, Lou Elizondo was briefing him 432 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,220 on the latest breakthrough in their investigation. 433 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,220 What I'd like to do is show you a short highlight 434 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,220 of an interview that we did recently 435 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,220 with an active duty pilot. 436 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,220 Elizondo had convinced a Navy pilot to go public 437 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,220 with the story behind two unidentified Pentagon UFO 438 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,220 videos captured off Florida. 439 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,220 Where the Nimitz was occurring in the Pacific, 440 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:32,120 we have now very similar incidents occurring in the Atlantic. 441 00:19:32,220 --> 00:19:38,120 Before I say any more, why don't we just watch a few minutes here? 442 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:47,120 Lieutenant Ryan Graves described how UFOs appear to follow 443 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:52,120 his carrier strike group from the summer of 2014 into 2015. 444 00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:54,120 It wasn't until someone actually saw one go 445 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:58,020 between two aircraft at a close range, probably within 150 feet, 446 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:01,020 that it was starting to get worried to him. 447 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:05,020 Well, I'll tell you the first three words this spring to mind 448 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:09,020 are bizarre, incredible, and unacceptable. 449 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,020 If that wasn't interesting enough, these incidents were 450 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:15,020 encountered near the United States, and as they made their way 451 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:19,020 to the Middle East AOR, they encountered these things again, 452 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,020 almost like they were being stalked. 453 00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:24,920 As a former intelligence person, I'm a little frustrated 454 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:30,920 that we spend 50 billion a year to try to avert strategic surprise. 455 00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:34,920 And then we have vehicles with extraordinary capabilities 456 00:20:35,020 --> 00:20:38,920 that may be surveilling one of our aircraft carrier battle groups 457 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:42,920 and nobody's taking action to find out where these things are coming from 458 00:20:43,020 --> 00:20:45,920 and what they're doing there. 459 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:50,920 Lieutenant Graves Squadron had filed a report to the Naval Aviation Safety Office. 460 00:20:51,020 --> 00:20:56,920 But he says nothing was done about what they'd come to see as a serious threat. 461 00:20:57,020 --> 00:21:00,920 There were innumerable radar contacts and sightings 462 00:21:01,020 --> 00:21:04,920 over an eight-week period all the way across the Atlantic, 463 00:21:05,020 --> 00:21:10,920 as many as perhaps 60 naval personnel who had eyes on either on radar screens 464 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:12,920 or visually in the air. 465 00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:18,920 So the evidence is sort of the tip of the iceberg, if you will. 466 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,820 I think your friends on the Hill may be very surprised to know 467 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,820 that these incidents have continued as recently as 2015. 468 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,820 Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, these are guys that are trying to work through the system. 469 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,820 They're not outside the system sort of throwing grenades in order to get their way. 470 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,820 They're trying to get Congress on board. 471 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,820 They're trying to get more of the Pentagon leadership to pay attention. 472 00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:48,720 But because they are bound by their oath to protect classified information, 473 00:21:48,820 --> 00:21:50,720 they need to be careful. 474 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:52,720 Mellon wants to show the video of Lieutenant Graves 475 00:21:52,820 --> 00:21:57,720 to his contacts in powerful congressional committees that oversee national security. 476 00:21:57,820 --> 00:21:59,720 He hopes through Lieutenant's dramatic story, 477 00:21:59,820 --> 00:22:04,720 we'll get Congress to acknowledge these incidents are real and take action. 478 00:22:04,820 --> 00:22:07,720 But Mellon knows he has to be careful. 479 00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:13,720 Talking about UFOs carries the decades-long stigma of flying saucers and alien visitors. 480 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,620 The alien angle on this is the biggest impediment to progress. 481 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,620 I agree. 482 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,620 And I want to steer as far clear of that as possible in any discussions. 483 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,620 I'm going to fold this up and get out of your hair. 484 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,620 Thank you, Lou. Great job. Great work. 485 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,620 Elizondo hands Mellon a tablet with a clip from the interview. 486 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,620 And he heads to a closed-door meeting on Capitol Hill. 487 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,620 Not everybody recalls from your civic lesson that it's the Congress 488 00:22:42,620 --> 00:22:47,520 not the executive branch that raises and maintains the military 489 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:51,520 and is responsible for their organization and funding. 490 00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:59,520 And they can't do that effectively if they don't know what the threats are out there. 491 00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:06,520 Over the decades, Congress has made sporadic attempts to tackle the UFO issue with little result. 492 00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:11,520 In 1966, House Minority Leader Gerald Ford called for hearings 493 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,420 after a rash of UFO sightings in his Michigan district. 494 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,420 Two years later... 495 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,420 ...beings that come from the sky that are worried about us are powerful. 496 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,420 Astronomer Carl Sagan told the House Committee on Science and Aeronautics 497 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,420 that investigating UFOs was a valid pursuit. 498 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,420 And Project Blue Book's J. Allen Heineck testified that he hoped respected scientists 499 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,420 would study his UFO reports. 500 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:40,420 How many really mysterious incidents are there that you'd like to go back and look at again? 501 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:47,320 As I mentioned in the hearings this morning, I have picked some 20 which have possible scientific paited in them. 502 00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:50,320 But Project Blue Book was closed down a year later. 503 00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:55,320 And Heineck's dream would have to wait. 504 00:23:55,420 --> 00:24:00,320 Fifty years later, Elizondo and Mellon are again pushing Congress to take notice. 505 00:24:00,420 --> 00:24:01,320 What's the word? 506 00:24:01,420 --> 00:24:03,320 Good meeting. Really good meeting. 507 00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:09,320 Lawmakers had already heard from the USS Nimitz pilots during a closed-door meeting earlier in the year. 508 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,220 It's getting a lot more attention now. 509 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:18,220 We, as a military, we as an institution, we as an American people, we should take this seriously. 510 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,220 They recognize that the Nimitz incident was not an isolated incident. 511 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,220 Yeah, absolutely. 512 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,220 There's a trend. 513 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,220 Absolutely. 514 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,220 Excellent. 515 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,220 And they'd like to hear as more people come forward and approach us, they're interested in hearing what they have to say also. 516 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,220 Now, Mellon's Washington contacts have told them they want to meet directly with Lieutenant Graves 517 00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:39,120 and any other pilot in a squadron who's willing to speak up. 518 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:48,120 Carl Sagan once famously said about UFOs, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. 519 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:51,120 He was absolutely right. 520 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:53,120 But now we have the proof. 521 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:59,120 The question now is will people look at the evidence and are they able to process it? 522 00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:16,120 Lieutenant Ryan Graves has just described for the first time a terrifying series of encounters over the Atlantic between UFOs and the U.S. Navy. 523 00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:25,120 He says a fleet of UFOs stalked his squadron for months off the East Coast and even followed them to the Middle East. 524 00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:28,120 Oh my gosh, there's a thing. 525 00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:29,120 It's rusted. 526 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:38,020 From my experience on these coasts, tens, if not a hundred people have had this issue. 527 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:44,020 Really, the issue is that there's no real means of communication to kind of express information. 528 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:50,020 So what'll happen is you'll see something interesting and you'll show your buddies, including your skipper. 529 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:53,020 And that's really where the conversation ends. 530 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:57,020 Graves says his fellow pilots saw at least one of the other pilots. 531 00:25:57,020 --> 00:26:01,920 Graves says his fellow pilots saw at least three different shapes of UFOs. 532 00:26:02,020 --> 00:26:05,920 Now, a second eyewitness is coming forward. 533 00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:09,920 Hey buddy. 534 00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:10,920 Hey, what's up man? 535 00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:11,920 How you doing? 536 00:26:12,020 --> 00:26:12,920 Good. How are you? 537 00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:14,920 Doing well dude. 538 00:26:18,020 --> 00:26:20,920 I'm a very keep things close to the chest kind of guy. 539 00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:21,920 I trust him. 540 00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:22,920 We've flown together. 541 00:26:23,020 --> 00:26:24,920 We deployed together. 542 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:32,820 And so when Lieutenant Graves was saying he's got some people interested in talking to us, I was willing to help him out. 543 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,820 Many of these pilots have hundreds, if not several thousands of flying hours. 544 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:44,820 It's not in their interest to make this stuff up because professionally it could be very damaging to them. 545 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:51,820 In 2015, Lieutenant Graves and Lieutenant Danny Acoyne were training to deploy to the Middle East. 546 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,820 What was the first thing you thought when you saw it? 547 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,820 That actually is like, there is actually something there. 548 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,820 The first time you see it, the radar could possibly be a false track. 549 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:11,820 But then when you start to get multiple sensors reading the exact same thing and then you get to see a display, that solidifies it for me. 550 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,820 Again and again, the pilots were capturing bizarre shaped objects on their F-18s cameras. 551 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,820 Two of the videos would be released to the public. 552 00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:28,720 One would come to be known as GoFast. The other was called Gimbal. 553 00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:38,720 Really no distinct wings, no distinct tail, no distinct exhaust plume, much like you see in the Gimbal video. 554 00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:44,720 It seemed like they were aware of our presence because they would actively move around us. 555 00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:48,720 Lieutenant Graves was in the air the day the Gimbal video was recorded. 556 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:57,620 We came back, we landed and we got back to the ready room, we were getting our gear off and you're like, dude, here we go, check this video out. It's civic. 557 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,620 Is flight path doesn't look like it moves at all? 558 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:12,620 Yeah, as flight path doesn't change, altitude is not changing. So it's basically just rotating in some fashion, at least from my perspective. 559 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,620 No, I'd say the same thing. That's definitely not a maneuver I've pulled before. 560 00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:24,520 According to the pilots, the GoFast video was captured several weeks later while Florida's east coast. 561 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:34,520 So do you think that's the same air crew as the first one? 562 00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:38,520 Both videos appear to feature the same voices. 563 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:44,520 That's led to questions whether they were faked. 564 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:54,420 On the one hand, you could say, well, you know, it makes me more credible because you're hearing in the moment how surprised these military pilots are. 565 00:28:54,520 --> 00:29:01,420 At the same time, it probably increases the chances that somebody could have spliced in the audio to make it sound more credible. 566 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,420 That is the same air crew because I recognize my buddy's voices. 567 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,420 Yeah, yes, I think a lot of people will. 568 00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:17,320 I definitely recognize the voices of both the whizzo on both of them and then the pilot and I were really good friends inside and outside of work or families. 569 00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:19,320 Spent a lot of time together. 570 00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:26,320 I don't know what this thing is. I don't know. This one's weird to me. I don't really know how to describe it. 571 00:29:26,420 --> 00:29:34,320 Could it have been a drone? I think yes, it could have been. Whatever it was, was small, which is why it was difficult to pick up visually. 572 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:47,220 Despite their seemingly incredible capabilities, neither pilot can disregard the possibility that whatever was captured on both videos was either a technology controlled by the U.S. military or one of America's enemies. 573 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,220 Is there anything that you know of that could make turns like that? 574 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:59,220 Um, I don't know. I don't know how deep I want to go down that path right now. 575 00:29:59,220 --> 00:30:11,120 In 2015, the commander of the Roosevelt Strike Group was rear admiral Andrew L. Lewis. Lieutenant Graves was there when the admiral came below deck to watch one of the videos. 576 00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:18,120 So I stayed in the room in Civic because I heard the admiral was coming down to check the video out. We've been dealing with this issue for a while. Let's see what he says about this safe. 577 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:29,120 And he walked into the room and I see him just look at the video for like five seconds and just go, huh, and walk out. That was it. 578 00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:40,120 Could the mysterious craft have been part of a secret test program where they sent by a foreign adversary a so-called red threat? 579 00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:50,120 If it's some red threat, that'd be enormous. If it was someone operating drones out there, that would be a normal suit. Someone's gonna have a midair and you're gonna lose an aircraft. 580 00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:56,120 If it's something totally outside of that, then, you know, obviously the implications for that are enormous as well. 581 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:08,020 Nobody wants to go to the admiral and say, sir, we're screwed. There's this aircraft that just got under the wire and we didn't even know they were there. And they'd been there, you know, before. 582 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,020 My gosh. 583 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:25,020 There is definitely this fear that either an adversary or someone else has developed a technology and every defense system we have developed over decades to protect our forces is irrelevant. 584 00:31:25,020 --> 00:31:27,920 And that's a scary thought if you're in the military. 585 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:31,920 We're just trying to figure out exactly what we saw. 586 00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:36,920 If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I don't know if I would have believed it either. 587 00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:50,920 Hey, hey, Steve. 588 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:57,820 Listen, I was going through my notes. I was wondering if maybe I could share a few thoughts with you, get your opinion on a few things. 589 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,820 Yeah, yeah. 590 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:13,820 Lula's investigation has raised a critical question. Why were the UFOs captured in all three F-18 videos seen near US Navy carrier strike groups, even following one of them into a war zone? 591 00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:23,720 How do you know that a foreign adversary hasn't leapfrogged us in technology by a generation? How do you know we're not just seeing the new jet of the future? 592 00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:33,720 If anyone might know the answer, it's Steve Justice. In his three decades at Lockheed Martin Skunkworks, he helped design some of America's most advanced attack aircraft. 593 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:41,720 Why would it be near carrier battle group? Okay, so what was the carrier doing at the time? Workups? 594 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:42,720 Yep, it was doing workups. 595 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,620 Okay, ready for deployment. Okay, and so would that be something an adversary would want to see? 596 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:54,620 Damn well we want to know. Yeah, I want to know anything and everything that a foreign adversary is doing. And a workup is a perfect place to do it. 597 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,620 Right, because comms and everything are being used. 598 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,620 Well, and you're going to see that thing working as it's working in the field, and that's what I want to know. 599 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,620 Right. 600 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:10,620 But what happens when you don't have the pilots recognizing what it is and it's behaving in a way that these guys and pilots are saying, I have no clue. 601 00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:13,520 Well, that's when you start seeing the expletives come over the radio. 602 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:16,520 That's fair, expletives. 603 00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:27,520 A foreign adversary can't just send in a typical reconnaissance aircraft because we won't let him into our area. 604 00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:37,520 They would have to send in something that's super, super low observable, something that is super sophisticated and fast that can get in, look at what it is we're doing, and then get back out, right? 605 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,420 I mean, we want that capability, so why wouldn't a foreign adversary? 606 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,420 You know, that's why I continue to doggedly pursue these what is scenarios. 607 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:54,420 My greatest fear is an adversary did figure it out, and we are just way, way, way, way, way behind. 608 00:33:54,520 --> 00:34:04,420 In their work inside highly classified programs, both Elizondo and Justice had access to much more information than they're able to reveal. 609 00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:12,320 I think we owe it to ourselves, I think we owe it to everybody that is relying on us to collect the information and be fair and objective, right? 610 00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:23,320 I'm really desperately trying to do that, but at the same time I feel a little bit disingenuous because sometimes, you know, I might have inside knowledge. 611 00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:27,320 There's a lot of stuff that you have to leave partitioned off, okay? 612 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:41,220 But I would say there's just too many pieces of the puzzle that don't make sense, and it represents a set of capabilities that seem new to everybody in the community. 613 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:51,220 If these aircraft had Russian or Chinese markings on them, and they were zipping in and out of an aircraft carrier battle group, there would be a budget, you know, the size of this building, 614 00:34:51,220 --> 00:34:59,120 designed to get to the bottom of how do they develop that, and how do we replicate it, and how do we defeat it? But none of that is happening here, as far as we can tell. 615 00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:06,120 If these craft were sent by a foreign adversary, Elizondo says that threat would need to be reported to lawmakers. 616 00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:12,120 If anybody had this leapfrog technology, this would be a national intelligence collection priority, period. 617 00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:16,120 All hands on deck, Congress would be engaged, but we know that's not the case. 618 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:22,020 We know that as a fact, because we're talking to the highest levels of Congress, we're feeding them information. 619 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,020 We know Congress is just as surprised by this as Joe Q. Public. 620 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,020 Yeah. 621 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:35,020 So, I mean, that is, that for me is, I mean, that's a deal, and if that's what I'm saying, if it is a foreign capability going on and this isn't occurred, dude, heads are going to roll. 622 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,020 That's illegal. There's laws against that. You have to inform Congress. 623 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Something allegedly has been stalking America's nuclear-powered carrier strike groups, but neither Lou Elizondo or Steve Justice believe it's an enemy we know. 624 00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:57,920 I want to be careful. We're not belligerent, you know, saying, the Russians are Chinese, that they're the big bad enemy, because when it comes to this phenomenon, they're really not. 625 00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:00,920 They're in the same boat we're in. 626 00:36:01,820 --> 00:36:17,820 Hey, man. Unfortunately, I'm no longer interested in communicating about the matter we discussed earlier. I hope you can understand this. Good luck with everything. 627 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:26,820 He's spooked. This is the second guy in a week now that was part of that effort on the Roosevelt in 2015 that we've lost. 628 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:36,720 Lou Elizondo convinced Navy pilot Lieutenant Ryan Graves to go public about his squadron's extraordinary encounters with UFOs. 629 00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:48,720 I've had conversations with friends from other squadrons and just, hey, there's stuff out there. I hope we don't hit it now because they're out there enough where someone could potentially have a midair. Something needs to be done. 630 00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:56,620 But after months of trying to persuade other pilots from the USS Theodore Roosevelt to speak out, Elizondo's hit a wall. 631 00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:08,620 The jet's weapon systems officer allegedly heard throughout the Roosevelt videos as backed out of an interview. 632 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:24,520 The person's voice you hear in that video, that is the guy that we were in contact with. This had the potential to really help shed light to get a better handle of what's going on. Kind of sucks, actually. 633 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:34,520 While there are allegedly more than 50 Navy personnel who witness these UFOs, nearly all are afraid to come forward. 634 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,520 So how you been, man? 635 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,520 Good. 636 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,520 So, how you feeling about this? 637 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,520 I'm feeling pretty good. 638 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:53,520 But Lieutenant Ryan Graves has been summoned to the nation's capital for a closed-door meeting with members of Congress responsible for national security. 639 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,520 They want to hear what happened when a fleet of UFOs appeared to stalk his carrier strike group. 640 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,520 I'm not here to speculate or guess what it is. I can just simply provide as many facts as I can about this. 641 00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:20,420 The fact that Lieutenant Graves is willing to put his career at risk and speak out publicly about this while he's still active duty military really speaks volumes about the frustration in trying to work through the system. 642 00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:27,420 One can only hope that his courage will be rewarded and that people will pay attention. 643 00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:31,420 What would you like to walk away with at the end of this meeting you're about to have today? 644 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,320 There's two issues here. 645 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,320 One, people aren't paying attention. 646 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,320 And two, there's a credibility problem and a stigma related to this. 647 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:54,320 By observing hard facts and data from professionals and from our sensor systems, we can bring this to light in such a way that you can't just refute by saying, I don't believe you. 648 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,320 Man, I hope you get a chance to tell them that. 649 00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:07,220 Like Lieutenant Graves, Lou Elizondo made his own decision to speak out when he quit the Pentagon secret UFO unit in 2017. 650 00:39:09,220 --> 00:39:16,220 I think what Lou Elizondo and others have done is kind of break that mold a little bit where it's okay to talk about this stuff. 651 00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:22,220 I mean, I've asked members of Congress about it and they will tell me, yeah, you know, there's, there may be something to this. 652 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,120 There's also a new generation of members of Congress. 653 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,120 They're younger, they're more open-minded. 654 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,120 They're not afraid to ask tough questions. 655 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:42,120 I think we're now seeing a generation of elected leaders, but also national security officials, who are more willing to talk about this issue and don't see it as much as a third rail. 656 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:50,120 I think ultimately it's a discussion the American people have to have with themselves and then tell your political leaders what you expect and what you want done. 657 00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:54,020 Lieutenant Graves' secret meeting lasted 90 minutes. 658 00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:58,020 It was off any public schedule and unknown to members of the press. 659 00:39:58,020 --> 00:39:59,020 How'd it go? 660 00:39:59,020 --> 00:40:04,020 It seems like they recognize there is an issue and they generally want to figure out what it is. 661 00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:12,020 His account was heard by members of the congressional committees that oversee national security, as well as a team from the Defense Department. 662 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,920 But what point was it that people just stopped being interested and, you know, unexplained things? 663 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,920 I mean, that's kind of what drives us, right? 664 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,920 We get out there and, you know, we're learning new things. 665 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,920 At least that's what drives me. 666 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,920 We're trying to explore the unknown. 667 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:35,920 To see something every day and just kind of brush it aside and not want to raise the question, you know, what's the point? 668 00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:43,820 To see something every day and just kind of brush it aside and not want to raise the question about, hey, you know, this is curious. 669 00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:45,820 Maybe we should figure something out about this. 670 00:40:45,820 --> 00:41:03,820 It's just extremely frustrating that potentially whether this is some type of threat, you know, globally here, if we have some type of, you know, red-air threat that's out there, gathering away forms and our tactics or something else, you know, if we're not curious and what are we? 671 00:41:06,820 --> 00:41:08,820 On the next, on Identified. 672 00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:13,820 I didn't really want to talk about it, but I guess the catch out of the bag. 673 00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:19,820 Whatever these UFOs were, wherever they're from, they had an intense interest in anything nuclear. 674 00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:22,820 Tell me what you experienced back in 1980. 675 00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:29,820 The on-duty police lieutenant came in white as a sheet and he said, we saw lights in the forest. There was something out there. 676 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,820 I'm observing what appears to be a beam coming out of the ground. 677 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,720 I'm thinking, is this some kind of communication? 678 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,720 I couldn't believe what was happening. 679 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:44,720 They didn't want the world to know, which is kind of scary because you don't know what else they're covering up.